tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post7290864119872125726..comments2024-01-23T09:45:17.135-08:00Comments on Tangents: Restless Musings Of A Malay Mind: UMNO Post Resignation Of Che Det: Early ObservationsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03238867141039750843noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-14190682682048378702008-05-22T10:12:00.000-07:002008-05-22T10:12:00.000-07:00Ah Praba... trust a PKR man to be fixated on the l...Ah Praba... trust a PKR man to be fixated on the leader and looking at things as following or not a leader's lead, not on the merits of the issue ... :)<BR/><BR/>Actually, Sharizal had already, when he came to my aid earlier, articulated an option (your first but the fifth way Sharizal, or do you want to claim no 1?)<BR/><BR/>I'm drafting my decision in my head and will put it on the blog when I get more time off work on the weekend. It is a 6th option.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03238867141039750843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-60345157611340361812008-05-22T09:20:00.000-07:002008-05-22T09:20:00.000-07:00oh oh oh I know a 4th category:we can assume that ...oh oh oh I know a 4th category:<BR/><BR/>we can assume that everyone is wrong and stay in denial! tee heeSharizalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12323037900205432030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-36593067033928051352008-05-22T09:14:00.000-07:002008-05-22T09:14:00.000-07:00Akhram, matey..the options are clear.a) You believ...Akhram, matey..the options are clear.<BR/><BR/>a) You believe that Mahathir is right in attacking Badawi, and his approach in quitting is right. Ergo, you have to quit the party too.<BR/><BR/>b)You believe that Mahathir is right in attacking Badawi, however quitting the party is wrong since the party is above all members in it. Ergo, you articulate your support for him and then state your opposition to his decision. (yes akhram, you have to say that the old man is wrong!)<BR/><BR/>c) You believe that Mahathir is wrong in attacking Badawi (therefore all corollary positions are defunct), then you denounce Mahathir.<BR/><BR/>I cannot think of a 4th category, can you?Praba Ganesanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15761438507435965613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-74272513750874585702008-05-22T04:12:00.000-07:002008-05-22T04:12:00.000-07:00I like to see we perjuangkan hak Malaysian instead...I like to see we perjuangkan hak Malaysian instead of just being one race. With a macro view, decisions will be more comprehensive and mature. Can we challenge ourself as learned by being seing less of ourselves in importance and others more?amokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796429650849780970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-42188948039157214742008-05-21T17:11:00.000-07:002008-05-21T17:11:00.000-07:00cerita lama .. my brother in-law mengadu to your A...cerita lama .. my brother in-law mengadu to your Ayah that UMNO tak terima dia balik (from 46) .. your Ayah told him .. kita kalau tak jadi Ahli UMNO pun tak apa, yang penting kita orang UMNO.BoxxTomoihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09733938028878966365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-24920256354363314412008-05-21T07:19:00.000-07:002008-05-21T07:19:00.000-07:00Bro, I'm gonna stay focus. I'm gonna throw in evey...Bro, <BR/><BR/>I'm gonna stay focus. I'm gonna throw in eveything that I have to ensure that I get to have that one vote in December to kick Pak Lah out and all the yes sir-yes boss UMNO leaders. <BR/><BR/>Btw, my late ayah and your ayah were good friends. <BR/><BR/>Berdoalah kita semua diselamatkan Allah swt.TUN AKHIR ZAMANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18431977287851560600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-74642933523531470412008-05-21T05:00:00.000-07:002008-05-21T05:00:00.000-07:00Honestly, Im not really sure how leaving would wor...Honestly, Im not really sure how leaving would work, unless you wanna set up a new political party also based on religious & ethnic supremacy with the other Mahathirists. This ideology is getting obsolete day by day.<BR/><BR/>Most folks in UMNO will stay on because they know the bread is buttered by Team Badawi or whoever is the current prez. This has been the pattern with past presidents.<BR/><BR/>But hey, if ya wanna go... go.BrightEyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17335803957427793437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-51158958655571579372008-05-21T00:16:00.000-07:002008-05-21T00:16:00.000-07:00Akram,This is Abdul Rahman Abdul Talib. I just wan...Akram,<BR/><BR/>This is Abdul Rahman Abdul Talib. <BR/><BR/>I just want to say, the days of UMNO is over. <BR/><BR/>No use to hope for something that will not change.<BR/><BR/>I think those who loves the Malays should continue their struggle in PAS and make PAS stronger among the Malays.<BR/><BR/>UMNO will have to spend the next 3-4 elections cleaning themselves out completely from rent-seekers and low-lives.<BR/><BR/>Dr. Mahathir knows that UMNO is filled with rent-seekers but it's clear, as long as they are still in power, the cleaning up process cannot take place.<BR/><BR/>It's time we relegate UMNO to the sidelines.<BR/><BR/>Or, let UMNO die and for a new MAlay/Muslim party,Tulang Besihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08770865110328319255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-42097344144837294962008-05-21T00:01:00.000-07:002008-05-21T00:01:00.000-07:00Quit Umno if you can, ask people around you to qui...Quit Umno if you can, ask people around you to quit to. I'm quitting Umno,same condition as Tuns and at this moment I'm gathering as many umno members as possible at my cawangan to quit. No matter how smart the move is, if it doesn't has the numbers, i wont go far.<BR/><BR/>If our tokwan and toknek has to face british guns to make sure thier childrens future, which is ours now, can we claim that we are smarter then them if we dont even dare to fight the "lembik" one?Pak Malauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17605406205851927233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-5569833119666559022008-05-20T23:33:00.000-07:002008-05-20T23:33:00.000-07:00i leave umno since 2003temporarily after tun resi...i leave umno since 2003temporarily after tun resign since i feel that there has no strong leadership in our present PM sebab tak tahan tengok keadaan malaysia yang teruk. so i become pemerhati. malaysia is for the rakyat bukan untuk satu family sahaja. we want malaysia to be build as a great nation bukan back to the past. worry worry and worryall about foodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14766440219304120734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-30823686951699287772008-05-20T17:49:00.000-07:002008-05-20T17:49:00.000-07:00HSH EmperorX's comment has been removed for being ...HSH EmperorX's comment has been removed for being off-topic ... and a little wierd...!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03238867141039750843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-4686455442703964732008-05-20T09:31:00.000-07:002008-05-20T09:31:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Ted Torrencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15648072445734105116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-70243920972357725222008-05-20T08:17:00.000-07:002008-05-20T08:17:00.000-07:00Mereka yang menentang Tun...Mereka bercakap tentan...Mereka yang menentang Tun...<BR/>Mereka bercakap tentang kebebasan, tetapi mereka tidak pedulikan Guantanemo..<BR/>Mereka bercakap tentang 'civil rights' tetapi mereka lupe pengebomam di Iraq dan Palestin..<BR/>Cerdik pandai di kalangan mereka me label kan 22 tahun zaman kepimpinan Tun sabagai zaman 'Mahathirism' tetapi mereka lupa Tun hanya menyambung legacy pejuang2 sabelum merdeka dan mendiang Tun Abdul Razak..<BR/>Dan pada hari ini..<BR/>Mereka menentang DEB, tetapi mereka tidak menentang Haliburton dan Temasek..<BR/>Mereka bercakap tentang Ketuanan Rakyat, tetapi mereka tidak sedar bangsa mana sabenar nya tuan pada ekonomi negara..<BR/>Dan yang amat menyedihkan, ahli2 UMNO sendiri terus menyokong kempimpinan sekarang, kerana mereka telah lupa apa itu perjuangan untuk Agama,Bangsa dan Negara..wak segenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05925427707604170330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-47974435991076256752008-05-20T08:14:00.000-07:002008-05-20T08:14:00.000-07:00Mereka yang menentang Tun...Mereka bercakap tentan...Mereka yang menentang Tun...<BR/>Mereka bercakap tentang kebebasan, tetapi mereka tidak pedulikan Guantanemo..<BR/>Mereka bercakap tentang 'civil rights' tetapi mereka lupe pengebomam di Iraq dan Palestin..<BR/>Cerdik pandai di kalangan mereka me label kan 22 tahun zaman kepimpinan Tun sabagai zaman 'Mahathirism' tetapi mereka lupa Tun hanya menyambung legacy pejuang2 sabelum merdeka dan mendiang Tun Abdul Razak..<BR/>Dan pada hari ini..<BR/>Mereka menentang DEB, tetapi mereka tidak menentang Haliburton dan Temasek..<BR/>Mereka bercakap tentang Ketuanan Rakyat, tetapi mereka tidak sedar bangsa mana sabenar nya tuan pada ekonomi negara..<BR/>Dan yang amat menyedihkan, ahli2 UMNO sendiri terus menyokong kempimpinan sekarang, kerana mereka telah lupa apa itu perjuangan untuk Agama , Bangsa dan Negara..wak segenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05925427707604170330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-21628511079761438222008-05-20T04:08:00.000-07:002008-05-20T04:08:00.000-07:00masa TUN singgah berucap di manchester, ada saya n...masa TUN singgah berucap di manchester, ada saya nak beri cadangan dan nak tahu apa pandangan TUN agar bubarkan saja UMNO. <BR/><BR/>bekas ahli UMNO yang mahukan yang monolitik boleh masuk PAS, dan mereka yang mahukan campuran boleh masuk PKR.<BR/><BR/>sebagai melayu berugama islam, saya rasa hanya penyatuan berpayungkan islam adalah pilihan yang lebih bijak dan afdal.<BR/><BR/>salam,<BR/>din<BR/>manchesterDINhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15758901569827411855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-85419605562205012902008-05-20T03:50:00.000-07:002008-05-20T03:50:00.000-07:00Apa yg dilakukan oleh TDM seolah-olah memberi kepa...Apa yg dilakukan oleh TDM seolah-olah memberi kepada kita satu petunjuk (sama ada secara langsung atau tidak)atas apa yg berlaku. Saya merasakan beliau "tertekan" sejak kebelakangan ini atas sebab sebab tertentu. Adakah semasa beliau menjadi PM dahulu beliau telah melakukan sesuatu yg tak diketahui oleh ahli-ahli UMNO sendiri dan akibat dari itu telah memakan diri sendiri? Adakah kerana beliau terasa bersalah atau secara tak langsung terlibat dlm "kekeruhan" UMNO itu sendiri memandangkan zaman era pemerintahan beliau pun sudah terdpt 2 parti yg ujud. Kita sebagai orang melayu merasa bangga dan hormat pada parti UMNO kerana sejarah dan kekuatan org Melayu itu sendiri berjuang. Secara logiknya bolehkah kita mempersalahkan Pak Lah 100% dalam isu pilihanraya baru baru? Kalau Menteri-menteri yg lain pun tidak memberi fakta atau pendapat benar/sahih atau mengambil kesempatan diatas kebaikan dan kelembutan Pak Lah itu tidak lah baik caranya...Pak Lah pun bukan perfect bila beliau memegang jawatan dulu..byk kesedihan beliau tanggung akibat kematian isteri dan ibu...kemudian ditanggung pulak kejadian tsunami..jadi kita patut beri ruang bagi Pak Lah membuat kerja dengan sebaik mungkin agar Pak Lah dpt melepaskan jawatan dengan aman. <BR/><BR/>Apa muslihat TDM menaikkan Pak Lah sebagai PM? adakah ada muslihat akibat tindakan beliau memecat Anwar dan beliau melihat Pak Lah "calon sesuai" dlm mematikan api yg marak? Hari ini beliau berkata begini...esok beliau berkata begitu...lusa entah apa pulak beliau hendak berkata-kata...atau Tekanan beliau terhadap kes Video Lingam yg pastinya diambil oleh pihak tertentu untuk mengenakan TDM yg pastinya terlibat? kalau nak resign pun resign laa tp jgn menjadi seorang warga emas yg jahat fikirannya..seolah-olah menghasut fikiran org lain..tak patut bagi seorang yg sayangkan parti mengatakan kalau Pak Lah letak jawatan, DTM akan menjadi ahli kembali atau memegang jawatan dlm UMNO itu sendiri..ini bukan fikiran orang dewasa tp mcm kanak kanak yg memprotes kerana tidak dpt memakan gula-gula yg diidamkan ...Mungkinkah Pak Lah juga akan menjadi mangsa mcm Anwar...<BR/><BR/>Jadi kalau ada dikalangan ahli UMNO itu memikirkan secara logik dan positif...berjuanglah untuk UMNO itu sendiri dan perjuangannya.<BR/><BR/>Begitu juga Wakil Wakil Rakyat yg teringin menjadi katak melompat ke sana kesini..tetapkan iman dan jangan jadi mata duitan dan hasutan, jgn main lompat lompat kerana kami yg memilih Wakil Wakil rakyat ini untuk berada di mana mereka berada sekarang dan kerana kami juga, mereka secara tak langsung mengalami perubahan hidup yg boleh kata mewah dari kami..Jadi buat kerja betul-betul, turun padang buat perubahan pada kawasan..Rakyat kini memerhati dan mengikuti apa yang Wakil-wakil parti sedang lakukan baik Pakatan Rakyat mau pun dari BN sendiri...leezahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06999921307832738974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-39735654704927650132008-05-19T23:19:00.000-07:002008-05-19T23:19:00.000-07:00Salam to Whackthembugger.Very insightful! & sama2 ...Salam to Whackthembugger.<BR/>Very insightful! & sama2 kita doakan supaya Allah swt. berikan kita kekuatan untuk harungi masa yang mencabar ini, amin!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12553529525999546466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-49202649604394324462008-05-19T21:18:00.000-07:002008-05-19T21:18:00.000-07:00Good story Ubaidah. UMNO need the Malays and not t...Good story Ubaidah. <BR/><BR/>UMNO need the Malays and not the other way round. Barisan needs UMNO and not the other way round. The Form and substance – UMNO, under PM, is no longer the form for the Malays in general to look forward to (in protecting their rights and leading the country) as its substance/spirit has much disappeared. The stakes are very high indeed and the ball is round and our future stand uncertain. <BR/><BR/>As a Melayu and a Malaysian, one had to ask one self – are the issues that TDM brought up against Pak Lah true or false, with substance or without. Assuming they are very true and are all substance, then one has to stand with TDM. The question then arises, which way is appropriate or which way can EVER be appropriate taking into consideration the factors influencing one’s decision? <BR/><BR/>Let’s not SPIN the issue. TDM wants UMNO members to be independents for the moment and to come back to the fold after PM is remove. TDM is not asking members to join other parties FULL STOP. TDM’s appeal is to those members who genuinely belief in the original and true aspirations of UMNO. Thus if the form of UMNO no longer glitters as TDM perceives being the most honorable (22 years as PM) and founder member of UMNO, he and those who have the same believes leaves UMNO. If more leaves especially those legislative members appointed by the electorate, the form called UMNO becomes hollow. UMNO will then be in a despair state which is not necessary bad if one looks at it as part of a greater strategy. However this is easier said than done, more than anything else PM (or should I say his SIL and son and the 4th Floor boys) will staunchly defend his position and will do anything under the sky (including working with devil) to protect his legacy and the vested interest of the 1st Family, extended 1st Family and the 4th Floor boys. Thus expect PM to dish out more “money politics” but then that too has limit because there’s not enough to pay off every member from Abdul to Zakaria and Aishah to Zainab. <BR/><BR/>There’s lot of good probabilities than bad from this move by TDM. TDM an astute politician sees problem solving like a doctor identifying the gangrene and cutting of the affected limb to save the person’s life. I am sure he is aware of or is a master of “Sun Tzu's Art of War Applied to Modern Strategy and Leadership”. So it would be reasonable to conclude that he is aware of all the cards on the table in making such decision.<BR/><BR/>For those UMNO members who staunchly appreciate TDM’s move but cannot leave UMNO for one reason or other will have to remain in UMNO to continue the fight from within in continuing ruffling the grass roots in making PM leave. These members should remember that this is a populist regime, if the regime finds some dangers or faults it will rectify them meaning the regime is being lead rather than leading. When things cool down, the regime will forget these members’ grievances and break their promises. I am sorry for those like DPM and the other senior cabinet members who expected PM to honor such promises. If PM can say “why should I resign, I have work to do”, ask yourself what does he actually do? Whatever little that PM has done to show that he is listening to the grievances of the population and grassroots are reactionary and a pull over their eyes. So to those members, who think PM will resign pre or post UMNO election, forget it. PM’s prior and sole interest is to ensure the well being of the 1st Family as long as he can, interest of the country is secondary. PEOPLE LIKE THAT DON’T EVER CHANGE and UMNO members should know better.<BR/><BR/>I would believe that out of the two options ie Option 1 -to leave UMNO temporary as independents and Option 2- to fight from within, I would go for Option 1 as the impact is greater, direct and forcefully. The message to PM has to be very clear and that’s what most people want when they send in the protest votes during the GE 12. Furthermore there are more probabilities in bringing down PM when elected representative become independents. The fear of instability and to mengikut adat untuk menjaga maruah kepimpinan president no longer holds true at this time of acute urgency. In Option 2, there’s still the possibility of delivering the message of the people will fall short of expectations.<BR/><BR/>I believe that Allah, in His kindness to His creation, has cleverly evolved this uncertainty of trials and turbulences in UMNO not without for a reason or opportunity. Some of us would take it as His timely message to oust and clear off the oppressors in UMNO. So let us all continue seeking His guidance and blessing in all our endeavors in ousting the rotten governance that is prevailing in the country during this period of darkness.whackthembuggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12085935745793456830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-33661034024048708832008-05-19T18:17:00.000-07:002008-05-19T18:17:00.000-07:00A great reason why the country needs to go to the ...A great reason why the country needs to go to the polls again! The rakyat needs to tell the politicians once and for all, not to play with our future. We need to tell them once and for all who we want to be the government of this country!Meiyenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06486558413561196117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-36205599701804313672008-05-19T17:59:00.000-07:002008-05-19T17:59:00.000-07:00salam Mr Ubaidah. tolong bagitau kat Tan Sri Sanus...salam Mr Ubaidah. tolong bagitau kat Tan Sri Sanusi bapak saya Omar, best friend bapak awak di MCKK tengah sakit. Apa2 tolong email saya di huziromar@gmail.com. Thanks.Mindlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023187856984471424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-55531984582415373422008-05-19T17:54:00.000-07:002008-05-19T17:54:00.000-07:00they love money and they got no ball,,,,,,,,so the...they love money and they got no ball,,,,,,,,so they ll stick around some more..akupunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03298030196748433374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-79865846959870633062008-05-19T11:43:00.000-07:002008-05-19T11:43:00.000-07:00bro, let me be the first one to come to your aide ...bro, let me be the first one to come to your aide (i think-unless some other yet to be approved comment beat me to it) and actually answer your question on whether to quit ;)<BR/><BR/>i think u shudn't quit bcos someone from your camp will still need to be in the inside so that your plan to actually unseat paklah will work both ways; internal and external pressures.<BR/><BR/>to borrow your anecdote, this is probably a analogy of the anak sulong org acheh dudok dalam bilik bawah pasai kena jaga pintu rumah. <BR/><BR/>in this case umno is that house, and u are trying to kick your bad guy outta the house! ;)Sharizalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12323037900205432030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-61071855924165165242008-05-19T10:53:00.000-07:002008-05-19T10:53:00.000-07:00The entire country is sick of this man, and he is ...The entire country is sick of this man, and he is doing a big favour to the country by resigning from UMNO, as the majority of the BN in Parliament will be reduced should his merry men decide to leave UMNO, enabling a new federal government under PAKATAN to be headed by DSAI.<BR/><BR/>What did this man expect from his resignation from UMNO. Did he expect the biggest street demo to be held in the Federal Capital and all over the country, demanding that he withdraw his statement that he quited UMNO.Cucu Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11606388085817098730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-72646727853830965542008-05-19T10:51:00.000-07:002008-05-19T10:51:00.000-07:00TDM sees the "dajjal-net" cast from down south isl...TDM sees the "dajjal-net" cast from down south island-state through its baluchis in AAB&Co. would be too late to stop by December. The country would be disintegrating by then and the "neocons stooges" would take over, completing LKY's dream since the last 30 years. Drastic measures for desperate times... I hope its not too late!?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12553529525999546466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30322670.post-73545124184434157582008-05-19T09:42:00.000-07:002008-05-19T09:42:00.000-07:00I think it's a wonderful opportunity to break (or ...I think it's a wonderful opportunity to break (or begin to) from the politics of the past and move on to the politics of the future!<BR/><BR/>It's time for young politicians, ELECTED by Malaysians with a fresh mandate, to take the helm, attention and the BS by the horns.Loganimalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829647371632118604noreply@blogger.com